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Dave Forgianni


08/01/2007 3:24 PM  
American Oriental Bioengineering, Inc. (AOBO) is a pharmaceutical and traditional chinese medicine (TCM) company, which develops, manufactures and commercializes both plant-based pharmaceutical (PBP) and plant-based nutraceutical (PBN) products. The Company’s PBP products are approved by the Chinese State Food and Drug Administration (the SFDA) and are sold both as prescriptions and over-the-counter (OTC) medicine. AOBO offers over 20 PBP and PBN products in China. In July 2006, AOBO acquired Heilongjiang Qitai Pharmaceutical Company Ltd., a pharmaceutical distributor that owns a license to distribute pharmaceutical products in China. In April 2006, the Company acquired Guangxi Lingfeng Pharmaceutical Company Ltd., a pharmaceutical company specializing in gynecological medicine. More from Reuters »

No. 4018 Jintain Road Anlian Plaza 12F Suit B02 Futian District
Harbin,  518026
CHN +86-451-86666601 (Phone)
Company website: http://www.bioaobo.com/

Etana Finkler


10/15/2007 2:01 AM  
I bought 2 months ago (or less) at 9.5, then PAR went out of buy zone at MI, now MI has upgraded and I'm thinking of buying more. Anyone else following AOB? I'm up 35% in that time. All fundamentals look strong
etana

Nancy Brodsky
Philly


07/09/2008 6:44 PM  

I recently did a survey of biotech companies for my club and AOB popped up - looked really good.  I couldn't recommend it because I wondered about the fact that is was operating only in China.  But it is on the NYSE.  What does anyone know about it?

NancyB


Etana Finkler


07/10/2008 8:24 AM  

I don't know what to make of AOB. The price is very volatile. I bought at 10 last year, it quickly went up to 14 ... Yeah!!, I bought more at 12, I'm at a good loss with both positions now.

I seem to pick all losers, so don't follow my advice ;-(

Etana


Danny Matthews


07/10/2008 10:59 AM  

Etana, there is as much to be learned from investments that don't pan out as well as those that do. Other than the price volatility is there anything that doesn't look good? Debt? Growing EPS? Pipeline?


Danny Matthews
Tuscola IL

Lynn Brown


07/26/2008 6:11 PM  
I am strongly thinking about buying this company. Etana, did you decide if anything else didn't look good besides price volatility? I have been through annual reports, info in ratio analysis, reports. I would think main frightening thing is understanding Chinese culture and how they use these drugs. It sounds good that it includes "traditional Chinese medicines". I like that.

Lynn Brown
San Diego, CA

Etana Finkler


07/27/2008 9:28 AM  

Lynn,

I have no confidence in my stock picking abilities.

I am a great Jr. Partner of Education in my club. I am very good at judgment and completing an SSG. I can compare sources of Manifest Investing Fundamental Forecast, Morningstar, Valueline with my SSG. But then when I finally put money down on 1 stock versus 2 others, I pick the wrong stock.

Too many of my stocks are down 35%-67%, with too few up to balance my losses.

So don't depend on me for any advice about AOB.

I am still holding it.

I just did a quick SSG:

1. the PERT sales, earnigs and profit went up for 5 quarters, but since have been trending down for 5 quarters. How do you know which way they will continue?

2. The 2B has been trending down? Why is this? Are they investing in growth? I see their debt has increased. I don't know the answer to this

3. A conservative estimate of 20% sales and earnings, and a p/e of 15 gives still a good buy, but it is not good if the estimate is not conservative enough, or if the market decides to hate this company.

What do others think?

thanks, Etana

 


Nancy Brodsky
Philly


07/28/2008 6:21 PM  

A company with this rate of growth has to slow down so perhaps that is what you are seeing. 

I did buy some - it's risky because of its low price and small size but I still think it looks good. 

I keep wondering about its plans - why would it list itself on the NYSE if it had no international intentions?

Nancy Brodsky


Lynn Brown


07/29/2008 10:26 AM  

This is slightly off the subject of AOB, but when I brought this company up in my club as well as U.S. companies wanting to expand into China, one partner said that any U.S. company operating in China could not take profits out of the country.  Does anyone know if that is true?  I understand AOB is different as Chinese company, but what about all these other companies going into China?


Lynn Brown


07/29/2008 11:30 AM  
Finally checked out the website. AOBO is going to issue convertible notes of $85 million. Now, if their annual income is $170 million, doesn't this raise their debt to 50%? I have to say reading about the AOBO corporate culture was quite an experience. The company even has a song plus quite clear guidelines ( including dress code) for employees. Also sales people make up almost 2/3 of company.

I was not planning on putting much money into this company, but I am sure eating up my study time with it. Hopefully, learning something.

Sean Pulrang
Cambridge, Massachusetts
http://www.iclub.com
ICLUBcentral

08/22/2008 12:16 PM  

I just posted up a stock study for the company, and at least for the time being, the debt doesn't seem too high yet. If anyone's interested, take a look in the AOB forum. I put in a screen shot as well as a .ssg, and didn't want it getting in the way of this discussion.

Thanks,


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